Mayor Wayne Brown welcomes possible Govt move to ban homeless from Auckland CBD
Mayor Wayne Brown says he welcomes any Government law change to empower police to forcibly move homeless out of Auckland’s city centre - insisting it’s the Prime Minister’s job, not his, to eliminate the city’s “scruffy” characters.
Brown told the Herald Auckland Council has done all it can to solve the problem of rough sleepers’ intimidating, drunken behaviour in the city centre, but the bylaws available to him are weak.
“I had to put up with the Prime Minister telling me that the town is scruffy. The town looks good, but the people in it are scruffy,” Brown said.
“The thing is that we’re [Auckland Council] responsible for places. But the Government makes the rules about people’s behaviour. It’s a people problem. Bylaws are a very weak thing.
“I’ve spent half a million of my mayoral budget on supporting Māori wardens and council approval staff. The people out there [in the CBD] that they’re dealing with know that they can’t arrest them. It’s pretty frightening.”
The comments from Brown come after Government ministers confirmed this week they are considering possible legislation to give police new powers to move homeless people out of Auckland’s city centre.
On Thursday, Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith confirmed a proposal for a move-on order was among the recommendations delivered to ministers by the Ministerial Advisory Group for Victims of Retail Crime.
Speculation around whether the Government was considering a law change to ban homeless people from the Auckland CBD – of which there are an estimated 800 – began on Tuesday, when Luxon was questioned about it by Labour in the House.
After a week of questioning by the media, Luxon indicated yesterday on Newstalk ZB that the Minister for Auckland, Simeon Brown, has “started to convene” with all the various agencies responsible for the Auckland CBD: Auckland Council, government agencies and NGOs.
“Yes, people have then leaked those conversations out to the media,” Luxon said.
“We should look at bylaws, we should look at move-on powers, we should look at all sorts of things. If you’re going to put a move-on power, you need to look at how you’re going to support that individual so you’re not just moving that individual into another part of the city.
“We have to sort this CBD out … it’s not good.”
Brown said he had no problem with such possible Government intervention and it was “exactly what they [the Government] should be focusing on”.
“No [problem], not at all. I mean, if they clean up Queen St, that’s bloody fine,” Brown said.
“I’m telling you [Prime Minister Christoper Luxon], that’s your job, mate. It’s not mine. I’ve made it nice. We’ve put planting in there. We’ve done all our other [stuff]. You go down there on a nice day and there’s no one bad around, it’s actually quite a nice place.”
Goldsmith said while the Ministerial Advisory Group for Victims of Retail Crime had been given suggestions, they had “made no decisions yet and all options are on the table”.
“I think everybody’s conscious of the fact that in terms of the CBD in Auckland, there’s a lot of antisocial behaviour and widespread concern amongst people who live there and work there,” Goldsmith said.
The policy hasn’t been included in any Cabinet paper, which would most likely need to be agreed to by the four ministers with responsibility for the issue: Goldsmith, Police Minister Mark Mitchell, Housing Minister Chris Bishop and Associate Housing Minister Tama Potaka.
But Brown said it would be entirely feasible to have police move intimidating individuals to another, less high-profile location where the social and economic impact of their presence is reduced.
“Well, I think they go out into the countryside,” Brown said of a possible location for downtown Auckland’s homeless.
“The other part about it is the economic damage they do. [It] depends on where they’re doing it. I mean, if there’s a scruffy-looking person sitting outside a pub in Ngāruawāhia right now, it’s probably not enchanting, but it’s probably not closing off wealthy foreign tourists from spending a lot of money here. So the economic damage depends on where you are.”
In October, the business association for Auckland’s city centre “reluctantly” released a scathing survey that found store owners and offices believe homelessness, too few police, “neglect and disorder” and “frightening” antisocial behaviour are crippling their trade.
Among the most dire findings was 91% of operators saying rough sleepers and begging were affecting their business, and 81% believing the city centre was not in a good state to attract significantly more people and investment.
Brown said he greatly sympathised with the traders on Queen St.
“It’s a high-value area. They pay a lot of rates and they like to sell a lot of expensive s***.
“They should be able to, and they’ve been prevented by a whole lot of people who are not contributing to the economy, but who are being funded from the economy. The Government has to work out how they can connect giving them money and having some impact on them.
“You know, [for example] ‘we won’t give you any money if we find you sleeping in the street’ ... There’s plenty of freedom camping places they can go to.”
The city mayor was also not bothered by an apparent lack of communication between himself and the relevant Government ministers regarding discussions on any potential law change to remove the central city’s homeless population.
“I don’t need to hear from the Prime Minister or the Police Minister on that, they just do their job. They don’t have to consult the mayor. I mean, I’m sure he doesn’t expect me to ask him about where to put a bloody public seat for people to sit on.
“Simeon [Brown] to his credit, has shown up to represent the Government, but there’s about 15 different ministers who’ve got a say in this.”
Brown said he did speak with the Minister for Auckland, Simeon Brown, about the Government discussions last week.
Brown also said he himself had been subjected to intimidating behaviour recently while walking through the “lovely” Fort St pocket park, which Auckland Council installed.
“If you happen to be there when there’s nobody in it or there’s nobody nasty in it, it’s quite an appealing place to sit there in the sunshine and have a coffee and your lunch.
“But if there happens to be two big, ugly, angry drug dealers sitting on the bench, not surprisingly [it isn’t appealing]. Particularly when I went there last time, a very large fellow told me that I should f*** off, so I took his advice.”
National MP Ryan Hamilton’s member’s bill is also in the ballot, which would give police the ability to move people on from an area if their presence was causing distress, disorder or a nuisance.
As with most member’s bills, it already has the support of the National caucus, which would include the four ministers charged with drawing up a Cabinet paper.
If Goldsmith and his colleagues were to draft a proposal, it would need to go out to consultation with coalition partners Act and NZ First.
Sources in these parties seemed unaware of a move-on order proposal, only hearing about it on Tuesday when Labour leader Chris Hipkins started probing Prime Minister Christopher Luxon about it in the House.
If the two coalition partners agreed on the proposal, it could then be drafted into legislation and passed. However, it is not clear that they do.
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Why we need cash to stick around----Cash is king – Using notes and coins to pay for everyday goods and services is quickly becoming obsolete. When will cash disappear from our lives? And who'll miss out when it does?
Every March, the New Zealand Red Cross sends out teams of street volunteers across the country. With their white buckets and red vests, they're instantly recognisable. The idea, says philanthropy director Jasmine Edwards, is to raise awareness for Red Cross’ work and hopefully get some donations in the process. “It’s part of our largest fundraising event of the year,” she says.
But, over the past five years, the amount the street appeal brings in has been trending down. Edwards describes a combination of contributing factors: COVID, the ongoing cost-of-living crisis and a lack of cash. “We’ve seen a pretty steady decline in people carrying cash, and that’s had a big impact on our street appeals,” she says. “It’s really affected what we’re able to raise.” That, in turn, affects how much aid work the Red Cross can do.
Edwards and the teams she co-ordinates have pivoted to other fundraising methods. They’ve trialled EFTPOS, tap-and-go donation machines and even QR codes. Each has downsides, says Edwards. EFTPOS isn’t quick, and QR codes often rely on the person taking a photo and remembering to donate later. “The tap-and-go machines are quicker because you just pop your card on, but they’re quite costly. You could never afford to have one of those at every site.”
So far, the cashless options haven’t worked as well as people reaching into their pockets and grabbing a couple of notes or a handful of coins to throw into the Red Cross buckets. However, those days, it seems, are over. In 2023, Stats NZ reported just 7% of transactions were made in cash. Everyone is using alternative methods to pay for goods and services these days, from EFTPOS and apps like Afterpay to swiping their phones and watches loaded with their credit cards.
Edwards wonders how long Red Cross has got until it needs to make more changes to its street appeals. “Our volunteers have amazing conversations with people on the street,” she says. “It’s a real moment of human connection. You can’t quite replicate that with online donations.”
Cash is king – until it’s not
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Cash use is declining – rapidly. In its 2023 Cash Use Survey, the Reserve Bank of New Zealand found cash usage for everyday purchases had decreased from 95.8% in 2019 to 60.4% in 2021 and just 57.2% in 2023. The bank says 15% of New Zealanders prefer to use cash for everyday payments, but only 8% are regular or daily cash users.
Despite this decline, cash remains important, according to the Reserve Bank: it all depends on the situation. “Research establishes that New Zealanders place a high value on having access to cash,” a spokesperson told Consumer NZ. They cited short-lived personal emergencies, long-term complex personal challenges, community-level emergencies and digital payment outages as reasons for cash’s importance.
In December 2024, the Australian government announced it would mandate businesses selling essential goods and services in that country to accept cash from 2026. “For many Australians, cash is more than a payment method, it’s a lifeline,” officials said. Australians support this, with a survey by Australia’s consumer watchdog Choice showing 97% of respondents think stores shouldn’t be able to turn down cash for essentials.
But that’s not the case in New Zealand, where there are no rules to protect cash. If a business doesn’t want to accept cash, it just has to put up a sign saying so. The only rules limit how much a consumer can pay in coins. “The Reserve Bank is currently considering further changes to the law to support the cash system and ensure New Zealanders can access and use cash as desired,” the Reserve Bank spokesperson said.
How cash can help you spend less
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Tom Hartmann, the personal finance lead at New Zealand’s independent money guide Sorted, says cash can be used as an important tool for some people to make better budgetary choices. He says credit cards or apps like Afterpay removes a buffer and encourage consumers to spend more. “You go up to the till; you get what you want; you pay, wave, swipe, whatever you do ...,” he says. “It’s all pleasure because you’re getting the thing, and any pain is sort of reserved for the future, when you get the bill.”
Cash, he says, helps those who may be struggling with their budgets get their spending under control. “With cash, it’s a different experience. You’re holding cash in one hand, and you receive the goods in the other. So, your brain is processing the trade-off right in that moment – is this worth the pain of letting go of this cash for what I’m getting?”
Carrying cash, he admits, is becoming an antiquated notion. It depends on your personality. When he’s got cash, he’s more likely to spend it faster. But Hartmann recalls a conversation he recently had with his 17-year-old son, who has an entirely different attitude. “He sold something on Trade Me recently, and he wanted to be paid in cash, because he holds on to [cash] better,” Hartmann says.
How small businesses are coping
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Every Sunday, Carol Gunn opens the Grey Lynn community centre early to let in stall-holders. By 8am, the markets are humming with customers grabbing freshly-baked pastries, recently picked vegetables, hot drinks, cheese, eggs and more. Gunn has noticed more stall-holders offering EFTPOS and credit card facilities, and fewer customers taking cash.
But she also recognises the issues, saying operating EFTPOS machines can be pricey for stall-holders, especially when they’re just getting going. “At this time of the year, we get lots of NCEA students trying out business ideas as part of their course assessments – they can only use cash,” she says. “We get community fundraisers who can only use cash. Getting rid of cash could disenfranchise the grass-roots activities in society.”
Frank Argent, the owner of Barefoot Gardens, a small produce farm in Kumeu, Auckland, agreed. While bagging up my potatoes and chillis recently, he told me about 40% of his customers paid in cash, which he encouraged. Why? “Every time you swipe your card, the bank takes a sizable chunk,” he said. “For a small business like ours, it adds up to a reasonable amount over a week.”
Other factors to consider in the death of cash
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There are still many elderly people who cannot use, or forget how to use, tech. Cash, therefore, remains very important to them for everyday items like groceries. “A cashless society makes things very difficult for older [generations],” one financial advisor told me.
Natural disasters or emergencies can affect internet networks, shutting down EFTPOS and credit capabilities. “Cash is often the only option at that time,” an advisor said. “Everyone should have a small amount of cash put aside.” How much is a personal decision, but the National Emergency Management Agency suggests it’s logical to have enough for three days’ worth of food and petrol. It also says small denominations, like $5 notes, are useful because some businesses may not be able to offer change.
Putting coins into a piggy bank is often a child’s first interaction with money. An advisor said the process can teach children important financial basics about saving money from an early age.
The king is dead; long live the king!
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Claire Matthews, an associate professor at Massey University’s business school, says it’s too soon to say we’re on the brink of becoming a cashless society. “We have already moved a long way towards it, but I think cash transactions will be difficult to eliminate,” she says. “I think probably most of us are ready to move to a cashless society. But there are a few who aren’t and will likely find it very hard.”
But my own experiences suggest the shift could be happening faster than anyone thinks. While researching this piece, I found a sign at my local Pak’nSave declaring the store’s self-service check-outs would soon stop accepting cash. “Cashless,” warned a printed sign in red.
Then, at a recent Auckland Football Club match, I approached a cashier while balancing drinks and hot chips. When I handed her a $50 note, she turned it away, saying, presciently, “We don’t accept cash here”. I smiled and waved my phone over the terminal. That $50 will have to wait for another day.
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